What is your best memory of being in the group?
There are so many, maybe too many
to list. The first year was great because it was
the start of something that I had no idea would
grow in to the little legacy it became. 1978 was
amazing because we became something we never thought
we would, with the two concerts and becoming local
celebrities on Halloween. The moment we walked
in to Patterson's (Elementary School) Halloween
Carnival, we were an instant hit. Everyone wanted
pictures, autographs, and they were asking a million
questions. We had finally arrived. In 1979 we
made a movie. In 1980 we reached our peak and
it was amazing. Waking up the morning after Halloween
of 1980 to find our picture on the front page
of the paper was the greatest. I had stayed at
my Aunts house in Fremont (I was living in Vacaville
by then) and she had left the paper on the kitchen
table for me to see when I woke up. Driving around
Fremont that day and seeing our faces looking
out from every newspaper machine in town was a
bit of a rush. 1983 we hung up our studs (or so
we though) and went out in style. 1986 was fun
because it was the last hoorah. All of those moments
were some of my best memories of the group.
What other memories,
stories, or comments do you want to share or make
about the group or members?
Again, there is so much. Creating
and being a part of this group for a total of
nine Halloween's, and all that came in between,
was so much fun. It started with friends in my
neighborhood and grew from there. Out of it all,
I made some new friends that have become life
long friends. All the guys that were part of the
group are great and all have a special place in
my heart as friends and for the memories we created
not just dressing up, but all through the years
in every day life.
As for stories, on Halloween in 1983 we sort of
toured Fremont. We hit a lot of elementary school
carnivals along with several other stops that
night. When we stopped at Maloney Elementary,
someone asked us to take a picture for the school.
They had this booth where they charged a dollar
to take a Polaroid of people. So we went to let
them take our picture and next thing we knew,
there was a mile long line of people that wanted
to have their picture taken with us. While we
were taking all these pictures, a woman asked
us to come home with her. I think she wanted to
take on the whole bunch of us in make-up. All
the guys were saying "Let's go!, Come on,
let's go!" and I was actually thinking with
the right head, telling them we had a schedule
to stick to and I didn't want to have some pissed
off husband coming home and finding us there with
his wife. She had a kid so I assumed she had a
husband. That would probably be the wildest story
I have. Also that same afternoon we were driving
down Cabrillo Drive in the limo and I rolled my
window down enough for some people to see me and
I yelled something like "Ooooh Yeah!"
out to them and the look on their faces was like
they thought they really saw Gene Simmons cruising
down the street. It was great.
Walking in to Patterson on Halloween of 1978 was
amazing. The rush I got from all that attention
was great. I loved it and that was a driving force
behind the group for me, the sort of celebrity
status we had achieved.
Building the stage for our second concert in Jack's
backyard was fun. It became our hangout for a
few months. We had a room under the stage that
was our little place to hang out. I have to give
Jack's parents the biggest thanks for letting
us build a full size stage in their backyard and
hold a concert for 80 people.
Making the movie in 1979 ended up being more than
I expected when I took it on. Once filming was
completed I had the job of editing it. I had over
400 pieces of Super 8 movie film. I had them pinned
to a big sheet of cardboard in my bedroom. Each
shot was numbered and I spent a couple weeks just
splicing them together. I wish I had the technology
back then that we have today. I could have made
the movie so much more professional looking. All
in all it was an experience and a lot of fun.
You played Peter Criss and
Gene Simmons. Who was your favorite member of
the two to play?
I think it's pretty obvious that
Gene was my favorite, although in 1976 I didn't
know much about KISS and chose to be Peter because
I thought he had the coolest make-up. I actually
thought his character was a dog. Less than a year
later I was a major KISS fan and Gene's character
and stage persona drew me in and I decided to
make the switch to him.
Did you ever
want to play someone else in the group?
After switching to Gene in 1977,
I never had any desire to play any other member.
I did dress up as Ace for a friend's birthday
party on October 29, 1977 because I didn't want
anyone to see my Gene costume before Halloween.
I always wondered what I would have looked like
as Paul too.
How did you feel about dressing
up at the time (and doing concerts, photo shoots,
a movie)?
Again, I think it's obvious. I
loved doing the whole thing. I think my parents
got a little tired of it. My dad wasn't crazy
about it back then. I loved the creativity of
it all, the designing costume patterns, making
the costumes, doing the make-up and just everything
that came with it. To this day, the smell of silver
spray paint takes me back in time - and yes, silver
has a distinctive smell. Working on everything
kept me out of trouble, kept me busy, allowed
me to use my creativity, and it allowed me to
have a lot of fun. I will say that at times it
was like work, but I loved it. Once we started
making the great looking costumes, it was pretty
much something that would start around early June
in order to be ready for Halloween.
What was your
favorite year of dressing up?
That's a tough one. Again, most
years had some great points and great guys in
the group. Not taking anything away from the other
years, but if I had to pick one, I think Halloween
1980 would be it for Halloween's. We had great
costumes. We got what I feel is the best group
picture ever and we made the front page of the
news paper. That beats out 1978 and 1983 by a
hair. 1978 was an amazing year because we reached
a point of success for what we were doing. It
was the first year we had really good costumes.
We were an instant hit at the Patterson School
Halloween Carnival, we won two of the three costume
contests that night, and we had a producer that
was interested in working with us. 1983 we had
a limo, we did a mini tour of Fremont, elementary
schools, the hospital, friends and family, and
we got another couple group pictures that were
some of the best in the groups history. We won
$50 in a costume contest at a bar and I was the
only one in the group that was 21, but they had
no idea. We also made the news paper again. Another
great year!
Would you change
anything about your time/experience in the group?
There might be a few things. I
wish 1981 and 1982 would have been better years.
We went from riding the top of the wave to falling
way off. It really felt like we were back in 1976
starting all over, but in 1976 we were doing it
without a clue of what lie ahead so it was all
carefree and the fact that we were nobody's was
fine. In 1981 and 1982 we had sort or a benchmark
to keep up with and falling so far off that mark
was tough for me. It would have been nice for
those years to have turned out better even if
they were not up to the years prior, but just
not so far off. I think they could have been better
had there been places for us to go. For those
two years none of the elementary schools had their
Halloween carnivals and there wasn't much going
on at the places where we did go. I also think
that the fact that KISS had failed miserably with
their album, The Elder, and their toned down look,
that that also played a part in our not receiving
the attention we had in prior years.
A few things I wish I could change is that I wish
Jack would put out the 50¢ for the make-up
for Halloween of 1976 and been a part of the group
from the start, but then the group may have had
a different dynamic because he would have been
Ace rather than Paul that year. I also wish he
would have done the movie in 1979 and Halloween
of 1980. No disrespect to Jeff who came in and
filled Jacks shoes for the movie, or should I
say "boots". At the time there were
some tensions between Jack and myself. It sucks
because we were best friends and to this day we
still are. We patched things up and he came back
for Halloween that year and things have been great
ever since. Also, no disrespect to Tim who stepped
in the night before Halloween 1980 and took Jack's
place after he quit that day for unknown reasons
(I still have no idea why he backed out the day
before). The movie was sort of a little land mark
for us and Halloween 1980 was a high point. Jack
was part of what I would consider some of our
best years and we had a solid core group with
Jack, and Joey, and myself. It really would have
been nice for him to have been a part of those
things.
Finally, I wish we would have taken more pictures
early on. It's not like today where you have digital
photos instantly at no cost. Back then we were
kids busting our ass to raise the money we needed
for costumes and make-up. The cost of film and
developing was expensive just to get a roll of
12 photos developed, so at first we didn't take
many photos. We also didn't know what this would
become. Once we had great costumes and had been
doing it a couple years, everyone was taking a
lot of pictures. To have digital video or even
VHS back when we started would have been so much
nicer then the small amount of silent Super 8
movie footage we have. All in all, what we have
is better than nothing.
Is there anything
else you wish the group could have done (more
concerts, television, appearances for Walt's Productions,
etc.)?
At the time, another concert would have been
a lot of fun especially if it would have been
Jack, Joey, Greg, and myself. I think we could
have taken it one more step above the second one
we did. It would have been nice if we could have
been booked for at least one gig with Walt just
to see what it would have been like and how much
of the $100 he was charging for us, that we would
have received.
I wrote letters to Evening Magazine on KPIX channel
5 in San Francisco and to the TV show, Real People.
It would have been great to be featured on one
of those shows, but they were not interested in
doing a story on us. We had also talked about
doing the Vacaville Fiesta Days Parade in May
of 1983 or 1984. That would have been cool too.
How did you
manage to go on for so long?
I was able to go on for so long
because it was a total creative outlet for me
and I loved the attention I got from it. Since
I was eight years old I wanted to be a rock star
or actor. Dressing up gave me a taste of that
and I had a lot of fun doing it. To see the end
result of my work, and that of the guys in the
group, then to see the reactions we would get
was priceless.
How did you
deal with having to look for new members almost
every year?
For the first few years it wasn't
much work. When one person quit, it seemed that
someone was waiting in the wings to step in. It
was very tough though trying to find a replacement
for Jack the day before Halloween of 1980. Joey
and I were hitting up a few friends we thought
would fit the part (and the costume). No one wanted
to do it. At about 7:30 that night Joey said his
friend Tim wanted to do it. I had not met Tim
and had no idea how he would look as Paul. I was
trying to get a good match because I knew we had
the local news paper coming to interview us on
Halloween. Luckily Tim worked out great for us.
After that year it seemed to take a bit more work
to get guys to become part of the group or remain
in it.
Was it a challenge
making the costumes?
There never really was much of
a challenge in making the costumes beyond finding
the materials we needed. That was the biggest
challenge. Trying to find studs, silver material
and even black T-shirts was almost impossible
until in to the 1980's. Even then, it wasn't like
it is today. Fabric and hobby shops didn't carry
the varieties of material and accessories like
silver material and studs, even around Halloween.
As for going to a local department store and picking
up a black T-shirt wasn't an option because no
one carried them without some sort of logo or
design. That's why in 1977 we had gray T-shirts.
We had to take white ones and use black die which
turned out gray.
After 1978 and those great
costumes, we would make what ever costumes KISS
had each year. When they would come out with new
costumes, I would show my mom and say "These
are the costumes were going to have this year".
She would ask how in the world I was going to
make them and I would just say "I'll do it"
and I would. By that time we were using leotards
and bodysuits as the main part of our costumes.
Do you have
any of your old costumes?
I have my old Love Gun costume
from 1978. I have my Elder costume from 1981 &
1982. I have my Creatures costume from 1983, which
is my favorite, and I have my Destroyer costume
from 1986. Some years ago I sold my 1979-1980
Dynasty costume because it wasn't built as well
as I would have liked. It was too bulky and the
boots weighed over ten pounds each.
I had part of the Vinnie Vincent costume and I
sent that off to Jimmie as a surprise in 2015.
I had the 1978 Peter Criss upper chest pieces
and wrist bands and I recently sent them off (2019)
to Paul who was Peter Criss that year. A few years
ago I sent the Ace Destroyer costume to Tim to
give to his brother Mark since that was his from
1986. I still have Jack's costumes from 1979 and
1980 (which Tim wore) that I need to get to him.
Looking at these
pictures after all these years, what are your
thoughts?
They bring back a lot of great
memories, thoughts of times past when life was
much more relaxed and easy. I've looked at them
so many times through the years, but in putting
this all together, so many things came rushing
back. There are so many great memories. It's something
I'm very proud of and hope the other guys that
were part of this will enjoy seeing. I'm also
curious as to what the reaction will be from people
outside family and friends when they can see everything
we did back then.
Have you ever
dressed up as a member of KISS since ending the
group?
I've dressed up several times
as Gene in my Creatures costume. I've gone to
many Halloween events and walked away with first
place in costume contests most of the time. I
took second once to a guy dressed as a Cyborg.
He was good! A couple others I walked away empty
handed, but I would still have a blast.
In 1986 I was going to College studying Photography.
One of my classmates saw some pictures I was printing
of the group and we talked about doing a photo
shoot of me dressed up. One day in March 1986,
I dressed up for what would be the best photos
of me as Gene. I got a few nice looking girls
to come in and pose for some photos with me. The
shoot turned out great and set the ball rolling
for a 10 Year Reunion.
In 1991 I put together a group for a Halloween
party I had. For that we actually played a set
of KISS songs. I don't consider that part of this
group, but it was a lot of fun to actually play
as a band in full costume and make-up.
The 40th Anniversary
is coming up in a few years. Any chance of a 40
Year Reunion?
My God, 40 years. I was just thinking
about how long ago it was and was thinking it
was going on 35 years then realized it was 40
and it totally tripped me out. It would be a lot
of fun to do a reunion with a full group featuring
Gene, Paul, Ace, Peter, Eric, and Vinnie. I just
watched some old video footage of us getting ready
from Halloween 1986. To see how we would goof
around, talk, listen to music, the whole vibe
we created was so much fun and made for great
times. It would be a lot of fun to do that again.
In all honesty though, I don't see ever doing
any sort of a reunion. What we did was very special
because of when it was done and how old we were.
Back when we were doing this, you didn't have
a thousand KISS tribute bands out there that actually
play and have very cool costumes, most professionally
made. I think the novelty of it has worn off.
The last time I dressed up in 2006, I went to
the Freakers Ball at MontBleu in South Lake Tahoe
and I didn't get near the attention I did back
in the 70's through the 90's even though there
were over a thousand people in attendance.
I think the best reunion would be to get as many
of the past members together and hang out for
a day, visiting, sharing stories and memories
about the group and just about when we were growing
up in Fremont. That to me would be so great. These
guys are like family to me and to just have time
with them would be better then dressing up again.
I think at this time in my life, that would be
much more rewarding then trying to recapture our
past.
Would you ever dress up like
Gene again?
If I ever can find time to make
a new costume and I had a place to go with lots
of people in attendance, then I would seriously
think about it. Even though I do feel that uniqueness
has worn off at big costume parties and such,
I still enjoy the attention and comments I do
get and I always love seeing what creative costumes
other people come up with.
Does KISS know
about the group?
Gene and Paul might be aware of
the group a little. Back in February of 1984,
I made some little KISS creatures out of baby
food jars for KISS and along with those, I enclosed
a letter and a handful of photos of us. I gave
it to a person at the venue to give to the band.
The following night Paul Stanley called me at
home and thanked me for the little creatures and
said he liked the photos I enclosed. In February
of 1985, I put together a photo album with some
of the best pictures of us through the years along
with a bio/story on the group. I gave it to one
of their roadies I had met and got to know. He
said he would give it to the band. I have no idea
if they did get it and/or what they thought. In
1990, I met Gene Simmons and showed him a photo
of me from my 1986 photo session. He was impressed
with it which made me feel really good. Hopefully
once the website is up and people know it's out
there, members of KISS will become aware of the
group and hopefully we'll get some sort of positive
feedback from them.
Here & Now
Do you still listen to KISS?
After all these years, KISS is
still my favorite band. I do listen to them, but
not like I did as a kid.
Top 3 Favorite KISS Albums
1. Alive!
2. Destroyer
3. Revenge
Top 10
Favorite KISS Songs
1. Black Diamond
2. I Just Wanna
3. It's My Life
4. 100,000 Years
5. Love Gun
6. We Are One
7. I Stole Your Love
8. Shandi
9. Thrills In The Night
10. Creatures Of The Night
How many times have you seen
KISS in concert?
33 - The first time in 1979 and the last time
in 2022.
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